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Subtle message?

Last post 04-04-2008, 5:32 PM by LaLa. 16 replies.
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  •  04-01-2008, 4:37 PM 46898

    Subtle message?

    What do people think about the messages being portrayed about obesity on the show?

     

    The “they look good now they are slim.”

     

    “I will never allow myself to get fat again”

     

    “My life is so much better now I am slim” so logically my life was rotten when I was fat.

     

    While there are augments that there are all sorts of advantages to being slim is it reasonable to engage in fat bashing?

     

    Logically the obese and unfit could get great benefit from some sort of health and fitness activity.

     

    However is the health and fitness industry alienating a potentially huge market with the images portrayed on BLA?

     

    If the health and fitness industry was capturing a good part of this market would obesity be the public health problem it is today?

     



  •  04-01-2008, 5:37 PM 46902 in reply to 46898

    Re: Subtle message?

    The guys on the show are speaking from their heart (ie, they're not forced to say it) so I guess it's just how they feel. I have known plenty of people that would never go on the show, and are quite happy being large, so I guess it's just the people they attract, the type that are looking for a change and are not happy with the way they look and feel.

    And it's The Biggest Loser industry, not the Fitness Industry. I can assure you that TBL could not care less what kind of image they are portraying.....as long as people watch it!

    Ray


    My new book: Winners Do What Losers Don't
  •  04-01-2008, 6:10 PM 46909 in reply to 46898

    Re: Subtle message?

    I would have to agree with Ray, The Biggest Loser is an industry , and a law unto itself. A LOT of people in the fitness industry itself(including Jillian) don't agree with their method of rapid weight loss and excessive, or at least constant, exercise , but the actual overcoming of obesity can only be positive, can't it? There's a difference between being overweight, or large, and being obese, too. If you're happy being big, that's fine, but being obese puts your very life at risk - of course you'd be happierNOT being obese! Alison
    Nothing tastes as good as feeling slim & healthy.....not even chocolate!!!
  •  04-02-2008, 10:32 AM 46932 in reply to 46909

    Re: Subtle message?

    Certainly I must admit that the experience with the personal trainer I have had so far have been different from the stereotype portrayed on the show.

     

    However I will maintain that the stereotype portrayed may discourage the people who most need assistance with their diet and exercise from giving the gym a try.

     

    Unfortunately I am not in a position to asses how much of the contestants statements have been creatively edited or encouraged by ongoing groupthink.



  •  04-02-2008, 2:39 PM 46953 in reply to 46932

    Re: Subtle message?

    You know...IMO, if one was to say they felt alienated by TBL's  commenting how great they feel now and that they never want to be fat again etc etc...to me that is just another excuse, another way of saying "I am in denial"...or "I really AM happy being FAT"

    I'm not sure what you mean Don in saying that a particular stereotype is being portrayed.

    All I see is ppl finally freeing themselves from years of fat and unhappiness AND finally believing in themselves that anything is possible!

    You can't molly coddle fat ppl into losing weight. They have to want that for themselves and no amount of glossiness or pandering will work for them! Sorry!

     JMO :)


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  •  04-03-2008, 7:13 AM 46962 in reply to 46898

    Re: Subtle message?

    petanque don:

    “My life is so much better now I am slim” so logically my life was rotten when I was fat.

    While there are augments that there are all sorts of advantages to being slim is it reasonable to engage in fat bashing?

     

    Do you really think their comments are fat-bashing?  I think calling someone a goobledock is fat-bashing.  I think referring to fat girls as heifers is fat-bashing.  I don't think the show or the contestants comments are fat-bashing at all. 

    In fact, I think their comments reflect their true observations of themselves.  I like to use positive visualisation while I exercise by imagining myself near goal weight and looking at myself  and making the same observations and appreciations of hard work, just like the contestants are making.  Things like:  I can move so much easier, I have more energy, these clothes look good on me, I feel so much more healthier, my outlook on life is more positive, I can see what I've achieved from hard work, and most of all : I never want to go back to the way I was before.

    These comments are really important to the health and fitness industry, I believe, because it's that desire to be in the 'after' picture that gets people to join up - they want to feel as the contestants do, and more power to them.

    Is TBL tv show alienating the fitness market?  Disagree, if anything it's boomed since the shows started (wish I had access to statistics from a marketing company because I'm sure it's been analysed for Ch 10 and the production company).  So to qualify the booming fitness market - have you seen how much fitness products Target and Kmart are selling now?  Their floor space is worth heaps and the size of treadmills and bikes etc take up lots of room so the stock turn ratio needs to be high to justify giving over this floor space to an up-priced item.  They can use that space for Collette Dinnigan or Stella McCartney's clothes, for example, and increase their profit andshow an amazing stock turn ratio!

    How long will the boom last?  How many Workout Worlds is too much?  Fitness Firsts?  Will the TBL contribute to a downslide in the fitness industry?  Generally, I don't think so.  Obesity rates are increasing, there's a need & desire to get weight off the population, and hoopefully reduce the amount of people becoming overweight in the first place.  What's causing obesity is a whole new thread.

    Don, this show irks you - why do you watch it?


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    GW: 79kgs by Mar09
  •  04-03-2008, 9:49 AM 46969 in reply to 46962

    Re: Subtle message?

    But an alternative message could be that.

     

    Loosing weight is hard.

     

    I would have been unlikely to achieve this without help.

     

    It was challenging but I am glad I persisted long enough to be successful.

     

    Or would this send a message to people that to lose a lot of weight you actually have to drastically change your eating habits and activity levels.

     

    Certainly with the after sequence of the eliminated contestants many of the people are having 5 training sessions per week and a lot of time in the gym.

     

    It is quite possible that many viewers wouldn’t have 20+ hours a week free time or the spare money for 5 training sessions per week.

     

    I must admit I do enjoy watching the group dynamic and the marketing that is happening on the show.

     

    Personally I have found little useful weight loss information on the show.



  •  04-03-2008, 9:57 AM 46971 in reply to 46969

    Re: Subtle message?

    petanque don:

    Personally I have found little useful weight loss information on the show.

    Doesn't this contradict your first 5 sentences


    AK

    It's an old world out there and I'm glad I was part of it!
  •  04-03-2008, 10:57 AM 46976 in reply to 46971

    Re: Subtle message?

    I have to add here, that if NOTHING else, the show HAS opened up the IDEA of obesity and exercise being able to live together. I would never have found this site, and ettempted any exercise beyond walking, had it not been for the show. And I would not class myself as grossly unfit, whereas previously I shudder to think!

    Caution: Sarcastic and Cynical!!!
  •  04-03-2008, 11:07 AM 46981 in reply to 46969

    Re: Subtle message?

    petanque don:

    But an alternative message could be that.

    Loosing weight is hard.

    I would have been unlikely to achieve this without help.

    It was challenging but I am glad I persisted long enough to be successful.

    Or would this send a message to people that to lose a lot of weight you actually have to drastically change your eating habits and activity levels.

    so how does lap banding fit in with this theory? you're talking about personally finding little weight loss information. maybe rather than criticising you could take it as an opportunity to have an open mind because maybe, just maybe, you might learn one small thing that could help you. personally speaking.

     

    losing weight IS hard, it's not easy. but it can also be fun and worthwhile. despite all that.

    the show is a compressed format, anyone with half a brain KNOWS this. it's not the kind of thing most people would normally do. it's called "entertainment".

    but let me tell you, i DID train for 20 hours a week, with 5 training sessions a week.

    i DIDN'T have weight loss success.

    but i still, after 10 years, CONTINUE TO FIGHT and work through the slew of health problems, and psychological rubbish that's been picked up along the way.

    the show is reality TV. it is not shakespearean theatre. i think you have made enough negative comments about the show to really make me ask why are you still watching it? why not turn it off. or go for a walk?

     

    just a thought.

  •  04-03-2008, 1:22 PM 46993 in reply to 46969

    Re: Subtle message?

    petanque don:

    Personally I have found little useful weight loss information on the show.

    I have to agree that the show has missed the bus in regards to really educating people (well, me) on the more scientific side of training and physiology in general.  I'd love to hear more about how the trainer picks a certain exercise because it uses the big muscle groups and therefore generates a bigger cardio benefit, iykwim.  I guess if I'm really interested, I'd have to take a course in it and educate myself. 

    The only station that actually broadcasts shows to enlighten people is ABC.  The rest is reality (which isn't factual enough) and glossy magazine styles like What's Good For You (which isn't very good in my opinion).  Go for your Life on Ch7 isn't bad but could offer more.

    Why do I watch the show?  I guess, like you said, the group dynamics to a certain degree.  Big son likes the challenges, particularly if mud/trucks/planes/alloftheabove are involved.  so as Kaz said, it's the entertainment that keeps me tuning in.  Though I would like to take away more knowledge for my half hour to an hour of viewing pleasure.Wink

    And most of the contestants can't keep up the 20+ hours after the shows finished and end up with a bit or lot of weight gain.  A just example of what the audience can expect.  I think you'd agree that any kind of weight loss is succesful as long as its never put back on again.  So if someone loses 35kgs but gains back 10kgs after the show and that's it, then I would call that 'successfully' lost 25kgs.


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    CW: 95.8kgs (lost 8kgs)
    GW: 79kgs by Mar09
  •  04-03-2008, 3:27 PM 46997 in reply to 46993

    Re: Subtle message?

    Lollylorna:

    And most of the contestants can't keep up the 20+ hours after the shows finished and end up with a bit or lot of weight gain.  A just example of what the audience can expect.  I think you'd agree that any kind of weight loss is succesful as long as its never put back on again.  So if someone loses 35kgs but gains back 10kgs after the show and that's it, then I would call that 'successfully' lost 25kgs.

     It is not just that they don't have 20 hours, though. It is MORE because they have not learnt and CHANGED the headspace thing!

     


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  •  04-03-2008, 3:43 PM 46998 in reply to 46981

    Re: Subtle message?

    cowgirl:
    so how does lap banding fit in with this theory? you're talking about personally finding little weight loss information. maybe rather than criticising you could take it as an opportunity to have an open mind because maybe, just maybe, you might learn one small thing that could help you. personally speaking.

     

    it off. or go for a walk?

     

    just a thought.

    On the band.

     

    Yes I have found loosing weight hard.

     

    As a disabled person the classical start walking advice seemed inappropriate because to achieve some sort of weight loss it would seem that several hours or more a week spread over several sessions is needed.

     

    Presently I can swim a lot further than I can walk.

     

    I have tried several methods of loosing weight with varied success but unfortunately the long term result was unsatisfactory.

     

    While it is essential that diet and exercise are managed well for long term weight loss I struggled to do this.

     

    It took a long time for me to come to the realization that if I persist doing the same thing it is inevitable that I will achieve the same results.

     

    Is it sensible to persist with something that doesn’t work for me?

     

    It seems it took the best part of a business and economics degree for me to realise it isn’t sensible.

     

    Logically different people have varying difficulty with loosing weight.

     

    It is also likely that those who find controlling their weight easy never become morbidly obese.

     

    If I was using a method that seemed unlikely to get a satisfactory result for me it seemed logical move on to something different.

     

    While banding is an option that should only be considered if other reasonable attempts have failed.

     

    What constitutes failure is a personal thing.

     

    If you are happy with the results you are achieving it would seem sensible to continue with what you are doing.

     

    As for watching the show.

     

    It seems a good time to do some band exercises

     

    It is better than home and away.

     

    You can get distracted and still follow the general story.

     

    And as I previously stated the marketing and group dynamics are interesting.

     

    Certainly the contestants achieve some remarkable things.

     

    However I am not prepared to make as drastic lifestyle change as these people.

     

    Where will I be in ten years time compared to these people?

     

    I have no idea.

     

    However it became obvious unless I did something different where I would be in ten years time and I didn’t like that place.

     



  •  04-03-2008, 8:25 PM 47023 in reply to 46997

    Re: Subtle message?

    I get sick of hearing past contestants saying that they couldn't keep up the 7hrs per day training, which is why they put the weight back on. The only reason they were training that many hours was to lose weight as fast as possible. They would only need 1 hour per day to easily maintain the level they leave the show at.

    What they never mention is how many sessions they actually did do, and how many calories they actually did eat, each day after they left the show!

    Ray


    My new book: Winners Do What Losers Don't
  •  04-03-2008, 9:36 PM 47027 in reply to 47023

    Re: Subtle message?

    That is what I was trying to say, just in a much less articulate way.......

    Caution: Sarcastic and Cynical!!!
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